The Brutal Shadow of Equity In Canada | Celina Caesar-Chavannes | EP 493

The “We Who Wrestle With God” Tour (0s)

• A new tour is being launched by the speaker and their spouse to promote the book titled "We Who Wrestle With God." (0s)
• The tour will involve discussions on various biblical stories, aiming to convey their significance. (3s)
• The book and tour challenge the postmodern and Neo-Marxist interpretation of these stories as merely narratives of power, suggesting instead that they form the foundational basis of true civilization. (10s)
• The speaker has dedicated significant effort to understanding these biblical stories and intends to share this understanding with a broad audience. (24s)

Coming up (43s)

• A glare and the exhalation of Justin's voice were observed, followed by him getting up from his seat and storming out of the room (44s).
• The event caused a person to freeze, realizing that Justin had the power to break them (59s).
• The person was stopped in their tracks and was left with a sense of fear or intimidation after Justin's reaction (55s).

Intro (1m15s)

• Canadians have experienced both benefits and challenges under Justin Trudeau's leadership, which has been marked by various scandals, including the departure of key figures from his cabinet. (1m33s)
• Many of the individuals who left Trudeau's administration, including several women he appointed, have not publicly discussed their experiences, despite attempts to reach out to them. (1m54s)
• Celina Caesar-Chavannes, who was elected in Whitby in 2015 and served as a parliamentary secretary, shared her experiences working with Trudeau, revealing a complex and challenging relationship. (2m32s)
• Caesar-Chavannes worked closely with Trudeau for about four years before deciding to leave, feeling she had endured enough, and her account provides a candid and critical perspective on the administration. (2m58s)
• The interview with Caesar-Chavannes is described as shocking, emotional, and revealing, offering a detailed and unflattering portrayal of the current Canadian leadership, which is important for Canadian citizens to understand. (3m19s)

Celina’s role in the Trudeau Administration, an affinity toward liberal dynamism (3m56s)

• Celina Caesar-Chavannes was elected as a Member of Parliament in Canada in 2015, representing the town of Whitby. She was appointed as the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister, a role that involves closely supporting the Prime Minister's activities. (3m57s)
• The Canadian federal electoral system involves voting for a representative in a specific jurisdiction, rather than directly voting for the Prime Minister, which differs from the United States' system. (4m15s)
• Canada has three main political parties: the Liberals (centrist), the Conservatives (center-right), and the New Democrats (center-left). The Liberals, led by Justin Trudeau, are often in power. (5m53s)
• Celina's affinity for the Liberal Party was influenced by her Caribbean background, as her family traditionally voted Liberal. She was also drawn to the dynamic leadership of Justin Trudeau. (6m34s)
• Before entering politics, Celina was involved in a national epidemiology study on neurological conditions in Canada. The study highlighted challenges in accessing healthcare, particularly for those caring for individuals with conditions like Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. (7m7s)
• Celina was motivated to enter politics to address healthcare access issues and to advocate for a national brain strategy and a national senior strategy. She believed that a Liberal government would be best positioned to implement these strategies. (8m16s)

No prior political experience, knocking on 40,000 doors (9m2s)

• After winning the 2015 election, Celina Caesar-Chavannes was appointed as a parliamentary secretary within a couple of months, by December 2015, despite having no prior political experience or background in political science. (9m4s)
• Celina Caesar-Chavannes was surprised by her election victory, as she campaigned in a predominantly conservative area, knocking on 40,000 doors in Whitby to secure her win. (9m49s)
• Although she lacked political experience, Celina Caesar-Chavannes felt confident in her abilities and had developed a relationship with the Prime Minister, which helped her transition into the role of parliamentary secretary. (10m47s)

Celina’s background with her award winning company (12m53s)

• At the age of 41, Celina Caesar-Chavannes ran for office in Whitby. Her educational background includes a Bachelor of Science in human biology from the University of Toronto and two MBAs, one in Healthcare Management and the other an Executive MBA from the Rotman School of Management at the same university. (13m12s)
• She founded and ran a successful private healthcare management firm for over 10 years, focusing on pharmaceutical clinical trials and adjudication processes, particularly around neurological conditions. The firm collaborated with pharmaceutical companies, nonprofits like Parkinson Society Canada and Alzheimer Society, and even the government of Canada. (13m37s)
• Celina immigrated from Grenada at the age of two and was the first in her family to attend university. Despite graduating high school with a 99 average, she struggled at university, taking six years to complete a three-year degree with a 1.58 GPA. (15m19s)
• After university, she worked as a forklift operator before returning to academia, where she excelled in a fourth-year undergraduate research course, which reignited her passion for research. She then worked her way up in the research field, eventually deciding to pursue an MBA to become a research manager. (15m52s)
• Despite challenges, including living in a rundown basement apartment with her family, she persevered in her career, ultimately founding her own research-focused company. (16m43s)
• A company was started by leveraging experience as a research coordinator, recognizing the value of this role to principal investigators in research. (16m55s)
• The company, named Resolve Research Solutions, was launched as a freelance research coordination service and later expanded to manage clinical trials for pharmaceutical companies. (17m13s)
• Despite challenges, such as finding a pediatric neuropsychologist for a clinical trial in Toronto, the company successfully secured principal investigators and received its first paycheck, which was used as a down payment for a home. (17m42s)
• The founder utilized an MBA to create a successful business model, focusing on site management for pharmaceutical companies, which was a niche market in Canada at the time. (18m8s)
• The business grew significantly, earning awards such as the Black Business and Professional Association Harry Jerome Award for Young Entrepreneur and the Toronto Board of Trade Entrepreneur of the Year Award in 2012. (19m13s)
• The company collaborated with the Public Health Agency of Canada on national epidemiology studies, highlighting its impact in the research industry, particularly in a field with few women leaders. (19m26s)
• Upon entering politics as a parliamentary secretary, the founder divested from the company, adhering to rules, and had to restart from scratch after leaving politics. (20m7s)

Serving as Parliamentary Secretary to Justin Trudeau: early excitement (20m26s)

• The individual served as a parliamentary secretary under Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for about three and a half years before stepping down in March 2019 to sit as an independent. (20m47s)
• Initially, there was significant excitement and optimism due to the Liberal Party's transition from a minority to a majority government, with over 180 seats in the legislature. (21m23s)
• The individual was enthusiastic about representing their constituents and aimed to hold themselves accountable, drawing from their background as a business person. (21m46s)
• A key initiative was the development of a national brain strategy, motivated by the potential for a four-to-one return on investment in brain research, which could benefit caregivers and those with neurological conditions. (22m0s)
• Plans for the national brain strategy included timelines, milestones, and accountability measures, and were presented to the Prime Minister's Office, specifically to Jerry Butts and Katie Telford, in January 2016. (22m38s)

Very little interaction with Trudeau, not allowed to speak during question period (23m3s)

• There was minimal interaction with the Prime Minister despite being his parliamentary secretary, which was considered unusual. (23m4s)
• During the 42nd Canadian Parliament from 2015 to 2019, the individual was the only Black female elected, which influenced her decision to avoid making complaints or causing disruptions. (24m19s)
• The individual was not allowed to speak during question periods or to the media, which felt strange and uncomfortable. (23m53s)
• Invitations to international events were limited to those with a focus on Black culture, such as a White House state dinner, the opening of the National African American Museum, and the inauguration of President Akufo-Addo in Ghana. (26m12s)
• Feeling marginalized and tokenized, the individual decided to resign as parliamentary secretary. (26m33s)
• In 2015, Justin Trudeau was invited by the liberal party leaders to lead the party at the end of Stephen Harper's term as Prime Minister of Canada. Many Canadians felt it was time for a change after Harper's substantial period in office, which is typical for Canadian political cycles. (28m5s)
• There was skepticism about Justin Trudeau's qualifications for leadership, as he was perceived to have limited experience and education for the role. However, his attractiveness, charm, and famous name were seen as significant assets. (28m53s)
• Despite initial doubts, Trudeau's "sunny ways" campaign effectively capitalized on his charm and created an optimistic mood in Canada regarding new leadership. This was reminiscent of the "Trudeaumania" that surrounded his father, Pierre Trudeau, who was also a charismatic figure. (29m43s)
• In 2015, as Trudeau came to power, there was a sense of anticipation and hope for change in Canada, and this was the time when Celina Caesar-Chavannes became a parliamentary secretary. (30m22s)

Why there can’t be a gap between Parliamentary Secretary and Prime Minister (30m31s)

• A detailed and practical plan related to neuroscience was developed and submitted to Jerry Butts and Katie Telford, but it was seemingly rejected without reaching Prime Minister Trudeau's desk. (30m32s)
• Despite being a parliamentary secretary, there was no close relationship with the Prime Minister, which prevented direct inquiry about the plan's status. (30m57s)
• The role of a parliamentary secretary typically involves being sworn into the privy council, having access to extensive information, and participating in high-level meetings, which was not the case here. (31m51s)
• Comparisons were made to the close working relationship between Finance Minister Bill Morneau and his parliamentary secretary, François-Philippe Champagne, who were constantly involved in policy development and stakeholder engagement. (32m21s)
• It is emphasized that a tight relationship between a Prime Minister and their parliamentary secretary is crucial to ensure smooth operations and awareness of any issues within ministries. (32m50s)
• There is a reflection on whether the lack of a strong relationship was due to personal shortcomings. (33m19s)

Celina’s first meeting with Trudeau, “because it’s 2015” (33m31s)

• In December 2015, a meeting took place with the Prime Minister, following his announcement of a gender-balanced cabinet, which he justified by saying, "because it's 2015." This statement was perceived as flippant and disenfranchising. (33m31s)
• The decision to have a 50/50 gender-balanced cabinet was criticized for potentially reducing the applicant pool, as only 25% of the House of Commons members were female, suggesting that the most qualified individuals may not have been selected. (34m56s)
• Concerns were raised about the implications of selecting cabinet members based on gender or ethnicity, as it could undermine the perceived merit of individuals from minority backgrounds and create uncertainty about the reasons for their selection. (36m22s)

“Do you trust my judgment?” Apprehension at Trudeau’s flippant statements (36m55s)

• An individual expressed a desire to be recognized for their intelligence and capability in a role as parliamentary secretary, emphasizing that they did not want to be seen as a token within the administration. (36m56s)
• During an initial meeting, Justin Trudeau asked if the individual trusted his judgment, to which they responded negatively, citing the need to build a relationship first. This response created an awkward tension in the room. (37m23s)
• The individual had reasons for apprehension, including Trudeau's statements about his cabinet's composition and being the only Black woman in the House of Commons, which led to questioning the situation's dynamics. (38m10s)
• There was a discussion about whether it would have been more strategic to have a calm first meeting before asserting one's role, but the individual felt it was important to make their case immediately. (38m44s)
• The question of trust on the first day was seen as unwarranted, and it was suggested that more relevant questions would have been about working together to achieve platform objectives. The question was perceived as reflecting Trudeau's ego and self-awareness. (39m51s)
• The experience in politics led the individual to pursue a PhD in motivated cognition, exploring what drives people's self-appraisal and self-enhancement. The meeting highlighted Trudeau's need for self-enhancement and the individual's refusal to conform to it. (40m35s)
• The individual realized that their assumption that Trudeau wanted honesty from his parliamentary secretary might have been incorrect, as he seemed to seek confirmation of his self-esteem. (41m32s)

African-Canadian issues were tokenized, purposely left out of on-issue meetings (42m11s)

• A conversation was initiated by a query about trust, which was perceived as an attempt to insist on a presumption of competence without evidence, and the conversation became focused on the individual rather than service to Canadians (42m18s).
• The individual was surprised by the conversation's direction and wasn't disabused of that suspicion as things progressed (42m59s).
• The individual was "trotted out" at three international events, which they associated with being put on display due to their ethnicity and perhaps gender (43m18s).
• The individual did not establish a working relationship with Prime Minister Trudeau on a day-to-day basis, despite being the parliamentary secretary (43m43s).
• The individual spoke with Prime Minister Trudeau only a handful of times, with very little substance, and did not have any substantial meetings to discuss policy (43m58s).
• The first meeting with Prime Minister Trudeau was about half an hour long, and the individual did not have another meeting until 2018 (44m21s).
• In August 2016, the individual brought to Prime Minister Trudeau's attention the United Nations' declaration of the International Decade of People of African Descent, suggesting that Canada should recognize it (44m44s).
• Prime Minister Trudeau asked the individual what they wanted to do, and the individual replied that it was not up to them to decide, but rather the government should understand the concerns and issues of Canadians of African descent and recognize the decade in a genuine way (45m5s).
• The individual did not hear anything about the recognition until January 31st, 2018, when they were invited to the foyer of the House of Commons for the announcement, which they felt was not genuine and broke their heart (45m58s).
• The individual describes being deliberately excluded from numerous meetings, despite their role as an advocate for those lacking privileges and luxuries. They emphasize their willingness to challenge policies and prioritize the people they serve over personal gain, which led to feeling disenfranchised within their political party. They express that remaining in the party felt detrimental to their well-being, as it required them to diminish their true self. (46m21s)
• The discussion shifts to the topic of security compliance, highlighting its importance for business leaders in the digital landscape. Achieving certifications like ISO 27001, SOC 2, and GDPR is crucial but can be resource-intensive. (47m49s)
• Vont is introduced as an intelligence automation platform that simplifies security compliance for companies. It acts as a security command center powered by AI, transforming complex compliance processes into streamlined workflows. Vont automates security questionnaires and creates a trust center to demonstrate data privacy commitment to customers. (48m8s)
• Over 8,000 companies use Vont to manage security compliance in real-time, saving time and resources while building trust with customers. A promotional offer is mentioned, providing a discount on Vont subscriptions. (48m35s)

The effects of being sidelined, loss of confidence and resolve (48m59s)

• After being elected to the House of Commons, there was an expectation of a significant opportunity and responsibility due to a successful business career and a unique position. However, a meeting with Prime Minister Trudeau did not go as hoped, leading to being sidelined. (48m59s)
• The sidelining was done in a manner that excluded involvement in the decision, leading to severe psychological consequences, including diminished confidence and questioning of professional worthiness. (49m49s)
• In 2016, this situation contributed to a nervous breakdown, resulting in a four-day institutionalization due to severe depression. (50m52s)
• Despite being sidelined, an announcement in 2018 led to a renewed resolve to use the role to advocate for others, deciding to be more outspoken and proactive, regardless of potential consequences. (51m10s)

“I had to be hyper-visible,” the stress of being on display as a black woman (52m4s)

• Over a decade, a successful business was built at the intersection of two diverse fields, which was a challenging and unlikely achievement. (52m5s)
• After building the business, a decision was made to run for office, which resulted in a win, leading to the sidelining of the business. This was a significant sacrifice for the new position. (52m29s)
• Initially, there was a sense of progress and opportunity with a decent promotion, but it became apparent that the real activities and discussions were not inclusive, leading to a feeling of exclusion. (52m52s)
• The experience had a devastating effect, as it was realized that the opportunities presented were not genuine but rather part of a public relations strategy, leading to feelings of disenfranchisement and dehumanization. (53m21s)
• Despite being highly competent and prepared, including learning French quickly, there was a lack of opportunity to speak to the media or in the house, causing a psychological struggle and questioning of social identity. (54m22s)
• The situation was exacerbated by the hyper-visibility of being a black woman, which added pressure to always be on top of the game, yet not being allowed to fully participate or be heard. (54m41s)
• The text discusses a situation where an individual reflects on their role in the failure of a relationship with a major country's elected leader, questioning whether the issue lies with their own competence or with the leader's authenticity and the integrity of the political system. (55m48s)
• The individual had initially placed faith in the Liberal Party and was captivated by the potential that Justin Trudeau represented, leading to a crisis of faith when faced with the possibility of systemic issues. (56m50s)
• The internal conflict and cognitive dissonance experienced by the individual led to a decision in September 2018 to not let the situation negatively impact their well-being, affirming their own capabilities and achievements despite the challenges faced. (57m31s)

Personal reassessment and choosing not to follow marching orders (58m32s)

• The discussion addresses a personal crisis and the process of self-reflection required to overcome it, emphasizing the importance of self-awareness in understanding one's role in difficult situations rather than blaming others, such as Justin Trudeau. (58m32s)
• The speaker recounts losing a byelection and the subsequent realization that their true responsibility was to the people who elected them, not to political figures like Trudeau, which helped them regain confidence and focus on serving their constituents. (59m6s)
• A shift in perspective occurred when the speaker recognized that their real "boss" was the people of Whitby, not Trudeau, which allowed them to remain true to their purpose and resist external pressures. (1h0m27s)
• There is a discussion about who was actually in charge within the Trudeau government, with some suggesting that Trudeau was not deeply involved in policy discussions or governance details, raising questions about the actual leadership dynamics. (1h0m55s)
• The realization of being accountable to the electorate rather than political leaders is highlighted as a crucial understanding in a democratic system, leading to changes in behavior and approach. (1h1m24s)
• The decision-making process was highly centralized in the office, with key figures like Jerry Butts and Katie Telford primarily in control, and this did not change under Trudeau's leadership. (1h2m9s)
• Several individuals, including Bill Morneau, have expressed similar observations about the centralized nature of decision-making, indicating that this perspective is widely shared. (1h2m24s)
• After the incident involving Jody Wilson-Raybould and the resignation of Jerry Butts, it became evident that the situation would deteriorate before improving. (1h2m43s)
• In response to these circumstances, there was a shift towards acting independently, even if it led to trouble, as long as it was for the right reasons. (1h3m3s)
• There was a refusal to adhere strictly to pre-written speeches that did not resonate with the constituents of Whitby, opting instead to deliver personalized messages in both French and English. (1h3m22s)
• A conscious effort was made to avoid the typical political approach of uniform messaging, ensuring that communication was authentic and representative of the people served. (1h3m50s)
• By March 2019, there was a firm decision not to allow the actions of others to dictate the manner of departure from government, and to challenge Justin Trudeau's public image, which was perceived as misleading. (1h4m20s)

Three establishes a pattern: why so many resigned (1h4m57s)

• The discussion highlights the departure of several political figures from the Canadian political scene, including Bill Morneau, Jody Wilson-Raybould, and the speaker, suggesting a pattern of resignations. (1h5m12s)
• It is noted that the pattern of resignations did not start with these three individuals, as Leona Alleslev, a decorated military person, left earlier in the mandate due to disenchantment with the Prime Minister, crossing the floor to join the Conservatives. (1h5m57s)
• Other individuals, such as Eva Nassif, also left the party due to internal issues like bullying, indicating that the number of resignations exceeded three by the time Jane Philpott, a decorated medical professional, resigned. (1h6m14s)

When Celina told Trudeau she was leaving politics, “seriously not good” (1h6m36s)

• In early March 2019, a decision was made to leave politics, and this decision was communicated to the Prime Minister, with the reasons for leaving including feeling tokenized, not getting the support of the Prime Minister, and being marginalized within the Liberal party (1h6m44s).
• The decision to leave was not made due to a public blowup with the Prime Minister, but rather due to personal feelings of being disenfranchised by the party and its lack of understanding of equity and justice (1h6m41s).
• The Prime Minister's first response to the decision to leave was that he couldn't afford to have two women of color leave on the same day, as Jody Wilson-Raybould had also stepped down (1h7m57s).
• This response was seen as a sign of the Prime Minister's lack of self-awareness and maturity, as he should have expressed concern for the well-being of the individual leaving politics rather than focusing on the potential political implications (1h8m21s).
• A more appropriate response from the Prime Minister would have been to express appreciation for the individual's service and offer support for their departure, rather than prioritizing his own interests (1h9m12s).
• The Prime Minister's response was seen as a betrayal, and it reinforced the feelings of disenfranchisement and marginalization that had led to the decision to leave politics in the first place (1h9m41s).

There’s more - Trudeau’s phone call (1h9m57s)

• During a conversation, Justin Trudeau expressed disbelief and frustration when confronted about privilege, responding with "oh my God" and mentioning that he also received death threats, despite having RCMP protection, unlike the other party involved. (1h9m58s)
• The conversation included a discussion about the sacrifices made by the other party in their role, which Trudeau did not seem to acknowledge, leading to tension. (1h10m1s)
• Trudeau emphasized that the other party should appreciate his support during a by-election, which was met with strong resistance and a few choice words from the other party. (1h11m8s)
• The other party asserted their professional status, indicating that Trudeau's behavior would have warranted an HR complaint if not for his parliamentary privilege, and made it clear that such behavior would not be tolerated in the future. (1h11m44s)
• The call was made on the prime minister's line, suggesting that the exchange was recorded, and the other party firmly stated that they would not allow Trudeau to speak to them in that manner again. (1h12m28s)

Jody Wilson-Raybould, “sunny ways” (1h12m44s)

• Jody Wilson-Raybould was the first Indigenous Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, recognized as a highly qualified and admirable lawyer. (1h13m1s)
• The Prime Minister's office pressured Jody Wilson-Raybould to take actions that could have led to her disbarment, which the ethics commissioner later found to be a breach by the Prime Minister. (1h13m31s)
• Jody Wilson-Raybould resisted the pressure, was demoted, and eventually stepped down from her position. She was later expelled from the party along with Jane Philpott, a decorated medical doctor and former Minister of Health and President of the Treasury Board. (1h14m23s)
• The Prime Minister publicly apologized to Canadians for the internal issues within his government, claiming his office was open and respectful, which was met with skepticism by some. (1h14m44s)
• There was a personal account of a phone call with the Prime Minister, where the speaker felt unfairly criticized despite having worked hard and sacrificed equally to achieve their position. (1h15m23s)

Wounded narcissism, Celina’s last meeting with Trudeau (1h15m51s)

• After a contentious phone call, an attempt was made to reconcile with the other party by acknowledging that both sides had said things they didn't mean. However, the meeting was marked by a level of contempt and hatred that induced fear, making it a frightening experience. (1h15m52s)
• The tension in the room was described as dangerous, with contempt being a particularly harmful emotion. It was noted that contempt, combined with hatred and fear, is especially detrimental. (1h17m44s)
• The conversation touched on the topic of race, with a discussion about the discomfort associated with terms like "white people" and the inherent racism linked to whiteness. The dialogue included references to societal issues and the importance of discussing these topics for healing to begin. (1h18m20s)
• The meeting concluded with a tense exchange, characterized by non-verbal cues such as glaring and a change in voice tone, which occurred in a private setting after a caucus meeting. (1h19m21s)
• A person recounted an incident where they felt threatened by someone with significant power, fearing that this individual could potentially ruin their career in Canada. The person was left feeling petrified and unsure of what actions might be taken against them. (1h20m10s)
• The individual described an encounter in the House of Commons where the powerful person approached them in a manner they perceived as cowardly, offering an apology from behind rather than addressing them directly. This behavior left the individual feeling deeply unsettled. (1h21m3s)
• Following the incident, the individual experienced a significant emotional breakdown, prompting them to contact their psychiatrist for immediate support, as they felt they were in serious trouble. (1h21m57s)
• The situation was described as having multiple layers of stress, involving not just a personal conflict but also an interaction with a highly influential figure, the Prime Minister of Canada, which added to the emotional burden. (1h22m45s)
• The individual was reassured that their emotional response was understandable given the complexity and severity of the situation, which involved dealing with a person of immense power and influence. (1h23m50s)

Was it the right choice? Standing for what’s right over what is personally convenient (1h24m4s)

• Six individuals, described as stellar people, left their positions in Canada for similar reasons, indicating a serious issue within the country. (1h24m5s)
• There is a pattern of interaction between Prime Minister Trudeau and his associates that has not been adequately communicated by the government-subsidized Legacy Media in Canada. (1h24m58s)
• An individual faced a dilemma about whether to publicly challenge Trudeau's behavior, knowing it could end their career in Canada, but ultimately decided to speak out to maintain personal integrity and set an example for their children. (1h26m28s)
• After leaving politics, the individual struggled to find employment for a year, despite numerous applications, highlighting the potential consequences of standing up against powerful figures. (1h27m55s)
• A discussion highlights the practice in government where individuals are often absorbed into government relations firms without needing to apply, contrasting with the speaker's experience of not being "scooped" up. (1h28m27s)
• The importance of standing up for one's principles is emphasized, using the example of Jody Wilson-Raybould, who was allegedly wronged, and the need to support her regardless of political affiliations. (1h29m6s)
• The inconsistency in the "Me Too" movement is criticized, noting that support was given selectively based on convenience, and the speaker chose to support Wilson-Raybould despite potential personal and professional consequences. (1h29m33s)
• The speaker references Clayton Christensen's essay, "How Will You Measure Your Life," to stress the importance of consistently standing by one's values and principles, advocating for a 100% commitment rather than a partial one. (1h30m0s)
• The speaker felt compelled to stand up against the leadership of a G7 country, criticizing the lack of accountability and the evasion of consequences by the Prime Minister, which instead fell on those who dared to oppose him. (1h31m2s)
• There is a critique of the media's role in not holding the Prime Minister accountable, with the speaker experiencing exclusion from some media platforms due to their critical stance, while Canadian media continues to glorify the leader. (1h32m15s)
• Celina Caesar-Chavannes discusses her book titled "Can You Hear Me Now," which was published in 2021 by Penguin Random House. The book covers her life experiences, including her time in politics, and explains her advocacy and strong principles. (1h32m42s)
• The book aims to provide readers with an understanding of her motivations and the challenges she has faced, including feelings of hurt and disenfranchisement, to prevent others from experiencing similar pain. (1h33m12s)
• There is a mention of a challenging period in her life, particularly after resigning as the Prime Minister's secretary, and the subsequent year spent searching for work. (1h33m35s)
• The conversation hints at a continuation on another platform, where more details about her experiences and how she managed to rebuild her life after this difficult period will be discussed. (1h34m5s)