Matthew McConaughey and Aisha Tyler — The Tim Ferriss Show

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• This chapter of the Tim Ferriss Show podcast features a conversation with Matthew McConaughey and Aisha Tyler.
• The episode marks the 10th anniversary of the podcast and celebrates its achievement of surpassing 1 billion downloads.
• The episode is sponsored by Momentus, a company that offers high-quality supplements and products for various categories, including sports performance, sleep, cognitive health, and hormone support.
• Momentus products are third-party tested and contain high-quality ingredients, making them a reliable choice for consumers.
• The episode is also sponsored by Eight Sleep, a company that produces the Pod, a sleep system that automatically cools or warms each side of the bed, adjusts the base for optimal comfort, and tracks sleep metrics.

Notes about this supercombo format. (5m14s)

• Tim Ferriss is excited to present "super combo episodes" featuring a combination of well-known celebrities and lesser-known individuals he considers "stars" who have significantly impacted his life.
• Ferriss believes these "super combo episodes" will introduce viewers to individuals who may have been overlooked or missed in previous episodes, offering valuable insights and perspectives.
• He emphasizes the careful selection process behind these pairings, assuring viewers that the combinations are thoughtfully curated and beneficial.

Enter Matthew McConaughey. (6m7s)

• The chapter introduces Matthew McConaughey, a multi-talented individual who is an award-winning actor, producer, director, businessman, philanthropist, and author.
• He has starred in notable films such as "Dazed and Confused," "Dallas Buyers Club," and "Interstellar," as well as the HBO series "True Detective."
• McConaughey is also the author of two New York Times bestsellers, "Greenlights" and "Just Because You Can," and can be found on Instagram at @officiallymcconaughey.

The words forbidden in Matthew's house growing up. (6m35s)

• Matthew McConaughey's parents were divorced twice and married three times. This anecdote highlights the unconventional nature of his upbringing.
• The words "hate" and "can't" were forbidden in McConaughey's house. This rule was strictly enforced, and using these words could result in punishment.
• McConaughey learned a valuable lesson about seeking help when he was unable to start the lawnmower. His father, instead of reprimanding him for saying "I can't," helped him fix the problem and taught him that even when faced with difficulties, seeking assistance is a sign of strength, not weakness.

The book that changed the course of Matthew's life. (9m14s)

• Matthew McConaughey, who was initially on track to become a lawyer, found himself questioning his career path during his sophomore year of college. He was unsure about dedicating his 20s to law school and felt a pull towards storytelling, which he had been pursuing through writing short stories.
• A friend, Rob Bendler, encouraged McConaughey to consider a career in film, giving him the confidence to explore this path.
• While studying for his psychology exam, McConaughey stumbled upon a copy of "The Greatest Salesman in the World" by Og Mandino. He was drawn to the book and found himself completely engrossed in its message.
• The book's message resonated deeply with McConaughey, particularly the idea of forming good habits and becoming their slave. He felt a sense of purpose and determination, leading him to change his course and pursue film school.
• McConaughey's father, initially hesitant, ultimately gave him his blessing and encouraged him to pursue his passion. This moment marked a turning point in McConaughey's life, leading him to a successful career in film.
• "The Greatest Salesman in the World" became a pivotal book for McConaughey, providing him with the motivation and confidence to pursue his dreams. He credits the book with changing the course of his life.

Matthew's 10 goals in life (circa 1992). (17m43s)

• Matthew McConaughey wrote down 10 life goals in September 1992, while in his college dorm room. He was reflecting on his recent summer job, the passing of his father two weeks prior, and the completion of Og Mandino's "The Greatest Salesman in the World," which he had been reading for 10 months.
• The 10 goals were: 1) become a father, 2) find and keep the woman for him, 3) keep his relationship with God, 4) chase his best self, 5) be an egotistical utilitarian, 6) take more risks, 7) stay close to his mom and family, 8) win an Oscar for best actor, 9) look back and enjoy the view, and 10) just keep living.
• McConaughey had forgotten about these goals until recently, when he rediscovered them in his diaries. He was surprised to find that he had achieved all of them, including the seemingly ambitious goal of winning an Oscar. This discovery highlights the power of subconscious goals and the importance of writing down aspirations.

Why take more risks? (22m36s)

• McConaughey's early experiences with risk-taking: McConaughey describes how taking risks, like introducing himself to a casting director and improvising in a scene, led to positive outcomes. He also mentions the impact of reading "The Greatest Salesman in the World," which instilled confidence in him.
• The impact of his father's passing: McConaughey explains that losing his father forced him to confront his own mortality and re-evaluate his priorities. He realized that he had been placing too much importance on material things and not giving enough attention to the world around him.
• A shift in perspective: This realization led McConaughey to see the world differently. He stopped looking down on things he previously considered beneath him and started to appreciate everything at eye level. This newfound perspective gave him courage to face his fears and take more risks. He even felt a sense of guilt when he didn't take risks, believing it was a "sin" to limit himself.

The evolving purpose of keeping a diary. (26m20s)

• Matthew McConaughey's diary evolved from a tool for processing distress to a tool for understanding success. He initially wrote in his diary when he was feeling lost or disillusioned, but later realized the value of writing about his successes and positive experiences. He found that by analyzing his thoughts and actions during times of clarity and confidence, he could identify patterns and strategies that helped him navigate difficult periods later on.
• McConaughey's diary helped him understand his own idiosyncrasies and develop his character. He used his diary to explore his unique reactions to situations, such as laughing at jokes that others didn't find funny and crying at births rather than deaths. This process of self-discovery helped him gain confidence in his individuality and ultimately contributed to his ability to portray diverse characters in his acting career.
• McConaughey encourages others to embrace their own unique responses and write them down. He believes that by documenting what makes us laugh, cry, feel happy, and angry, we can gain a deeper understanding of ourselves and our own personal values, regardless of whether they align with the majority. This self-awareness can lead to greater empathy and understanding of others.

The art of running downhill. (30m4s)

• Matthew McConaughey experienced a sudden surge in fame after the release of "A Time to Kill" in 1996. This rapid success led to a feeling of being overwhelmed and a sense of needing to prove himself.
• He recognized that he was creating unnecessary obstacles for himself, often acting in a belligerent manner and sabotaging opportunities. This behavior stemmed from his own insecurities and a desire to find balance in his newfound fame.
• McConaughey realized that he was creating artificial hardship for himself, comparing it to "face planting" while running downhill. He learned that the art of running downhill is about enjoying the success while it lasts, knowing that challenges are inevitable and will require hard work.

Learning to say "No" to rom-com typecasting. (34m12s)

• Matthew McConaughey discusses his decision to turn down rom-com roles and the subsequent "desert" period in his career. He explains that he felt typecast and wanted to pursue more challenging roles that reflected his real life. He was making a lot of money from rom-coms, but he felt unfulfilled and wanted to work on projects that would challenge him.
• McConaughey describes how he made the difficult decision to stop taking rom-com roles, even though it meant potentially losing income and opportunities. He consulted with his wife, Camila Alves, and his agent, who both supported his decision. He also had to convince his money manager that he could afford to take a break from acting.
• McConaughey's decision to say "no" to rom-coms led to a period of 20 months where he received no acting offers. He used this time to focus on his family, write, and explore other interests. He eventually received offers for roles that he was passionate about, including "Killer Joe," "Paperboy," "Mud," "Magic Mike," "True Detective," and "Dallas Buyers Club." He believes that his time away from the spotlight allowed him to become a "new good idea" and ultimately led to more fulfilling work.

Enter Aisha Tyler. (48m6s)

• Aisha Tyler is a multi-talented individual who has achieved success in various fields, including acting, comedy, hosting, directing, writing, and activism.
• She is known for her roles in the hit television show "Criminal Minds" and as the host of the CW's top-rated improv show "Whose Line Is It Anyway."
• Tyler is also an award-winning director, a best-selling author, and an activist who co-founded the premium Margarita brand Loop.

Aisha's role in The Tim Ferriss Show's existence. (48m35s)

• Tim Ferriss expresses his gratitude to Aisha Tyler for her role in the creation of his podcast, "The Tim Ferriss Show."
• He credits a conversation they had during an interview for Aisha's podcast, "Girl on Guy," as a catalyst for his decision to take a break from writing books, which had become a source of burnout.
• This break from writing ultimately led to the birth of "The Tim Ferriss Show," which Tim describes as one of the most gratifying and fascinating things he's ever done.

Aisha's trademark podcast question. (50m0s)

• Aisha Tyler's trademark podcast question was "Tell me a story about something that's gone wrong in your life that's your own fault." This question was the inspiration for her book titled "Self-Inflicted Wounds: Heartwarming Tales of Epic Humiliation."
• The purpose of this question was to initiate a conversation about risk and failure. Tyler believes that successful people actively engage in risk and court failure, and that people often assume successful individuals have never made mistakes.
• By sharing stories of their own failures, guests could demonstrate that even successful people have made mistakes, encouraging listeners to embrace risk and failure as part of the path to success.

Aisha's unorthodox childhood and family relationships. (51m22s)

• Aisha Tyler's parents divorced when she was 10 years old, and her father took her because she was the older child and could take care of herself.
• Aisha's parents were not wealthy and could not afford to fight over custody or pay child support.
• Aisha's father's favorite saying or question was "Which one can wash itself?", which he used to decide which child he would take after the divorce.

How did Aisha answer the questions "Whose day is it?" and "What are you going to do?" every morning? (52m22s)

• Aisha Tyler's father would ask her "Whose day is it?" and "What are you going to do?" every morning as she left for school. He encouraged her to be aggressive and take charge of her day.
• Aisha believes it is difficult for single parents, especially fathers, to raise daughters because they are often terrified of the world and want to protect their daughters.
• Aisha's parents divorced when she was young, and she went to live with her father while her sister stayed with their mother. She doesn't remember struggling with the divorce, but she acknowledges that her parents tried hard to stay together before ultimately separating.
• Aisha believes that her relationship with her sister is stronger now because they lived in different houses during their formative years. They were not close as children, but they have grown closer as adults.

From where does Aisha get her general sense of optimism? (55m50s)

• Aisha Tyler attributes her generally optimistic outlook to a combination of her natural disposition and her upbringing. She believes that her optimistic attitude is partly due to her biochemistry, as she likely produces more of the chemicals that promote optimism.
• She also credits her father's unwavering optimism for influencing her perspective. Her father, who was raised in a challenging environment, never allowed himself to feel sorry for himself and always encouraged her to do the same.
• This combination of innate optimism and a "walk it off" mentality instilled in her by her father has shaped Aisha's ability to see the positive side of things, even in difficult situations.

Following father's advice and views on regret. (57m41s)

• McConaughey discusses his father's advice to "grab life by the balls and twist," emphasizing the aggressive and relentless nature of this approach. He acknowledges that he doesn't always feel like he's "nailing it," but he does believe that his father's advice has instilled in him a relentless pursuit of his goals.
• McConaughey explains that his focus is on the effort and engagement in pursuing his goals, rather than the outcome. He believes that the act of doing something, even if it doesn't lead to success, is more rewarding than regretting not trying.
• McConaughey emphasizes that regret is something he can control, as it stems from inaction. He believes that while success cannot be predetermined, effort is something that can be controlled, and it is the only thing that truly belongs to an individual.

Free-range parenting vs. modern overprotection. (59m38s)

• McConaughey shares a story about his childhood where he broke his arm while riding his bike to Jiu-Jitsu camp and his father refused to come get him, forcing him to ride home with a broken arm. This anecdote exemplifies the "free-range parenting" approach McConaughey experienced, where children were given more independence and responsibility to navigate challenges on their own.
• McConaughey argues that this type of parenting, while seemingly harsh, fostered self-reliance and resilience in him. He believes that modern overprotective parenting practices, which often shield children from failure and risk, prevent them from developing these crucial life skills.
• He emphasizes the importance of allowing children to experience failure and learn from it. This process, he argues, teaches them how to adapt, pivot, and move forward, ultimately leading to a stronger sense of self-sufficiency and a greater ability to navigate life's challenges.

Having a bad day? You're not special! (1h3m49s)

• Matthew McConaughey and Aisha Tyler discuss the increasing severity of consequences and failures as we progress through life, comparing it to a gradual removal of protective gear.
• They argue that early experiences with failure, even if seemingly insignificant, prepare us for greater challenges later on.
• They emphasize that everyone experiences setbacks and disappointments, and those who react with "why me?" are simply not equipped to handle adversity, highlighting the importance of developing resilience and coping mechanisms.

Young Aisha's career aspirations. (1h5m43s)

• Aisha Tyler initially aspired to become an environmental lawyer or engineer, driven by her passion for activism and the natural world.
• She sought out colleges with strong ties to nature, applying to schools like Marlboro College, Reed College, and Bard College.
• However, after taking introductory engineering courses, she realized that the field wasn't as appealing as she imagined, finding the subject matter less glamorous and more focused on practical applications than she anticipated.

Why was Aisha miserable at what she thought was her dream job? (1h7m8s)

• Aisha Tyler always had a passion for performing, even while pursuing other interests like conservation.
• Despite landing her "dream job" at a conservation organization in San Francisco, she found herself deeply unhappy.
• After soul-searching, she realized her unhappiness stemmed from the lack of creative expression and performance in her work, leading her to pursue stand-up comedy as a way to fulfill her creative needs.

Why did Aisha pick standup comedy to break into show business? (1h9m7s)

• Aisha Tyler did not initially see stand-up comedy as a career path. She initially viewed it as a way to scratch her creative itch and perform on the side while continuing her regular job.
• She was not exposed to stand-up comedy as a child and did not consider it a viable career option. She was more familiar with traditional forms of entertainment like music.
• Her first experience with stand-up comedy was at Dartmouth College, where she was struck by the intensity of the experience and the feeling of shared laughter. This experience made her realize that stand-up comedy could be a powerful and fulfilling form of entertainment.

What it was like to keep a day job and do standup comedy as a hobby. (1h10m24s)

• Aisha Tyler, a stand-up comedian, shares her experience of balancing a day job with her passion for stand-up comedy. She emphasizes the importance of keeping a day job, even when pursuing a creative career, as it provides financial stability and freedom to create art for its own sake.
• Tyler describes her early days as a comedian, where she worked a full-time job and performed stand-up in her free time. She chose to maintain this balance to avoid the struggles of many aspiring comedians, such as financial instability and living in less-than-ideal conditions.
• Tyler's experience highlights the benefits of pursuing art for joy rather than financial gain. She emphasizes that this approach allows for a more authentic and fulfilling creative journey, as it removes the pressure of needing to succeed commercially.

Commuting for comedy in San Francisco. (1h12m6s)

• Aisha Tyler discusses the comedy scene in San Francisco, noting its reputation as a comedy town with a history of fostering original and alternative comedy. She mentions the influence of comedians like Mark Marin, Janine Garafalo, and Brian Posehn, who emerged from the city's comedy scene.
• Tyler describes the contraction of the comedy economy during her early days in stand-up, leading to a decrease in the number of comedy clubs and increased competition for stage time. She emphasizes the importance of consistent stage time for honing comedic skills, comparing it to the 10,000-hour rule for mastery.
• To gain experience, Tyler recounts her willingness to travel to various locations, including Sacramento, Fresno, and smaller towns, to perform at any venue that offered her a chance to be on stage. She highlights the competitive nature of the comedy scene, where numerous aspiring comedians vied for limited stage time. Despite the competition, Tyler notes a supportive community among comedians, who encouraged each other to pursue their craft.

What made the comedy club bubble of the '80s burst? (1h14m19s)

• The comedy club boom of the 1970s and 1980s was fueled by the rise of stand-up comedy on television, which created a new generation of aspiring comedians and a demand for comedy clubs.
• The proliferation of comedy clubs led to market saturation, making it difficult for clubs to remain profitable.
• The economic downturn of the 1980s, coupled with the increasing availability of comedy on television, further contributed to the decline of comedy clubs, as people had more options for entertainment at home.

How did Aisha practice to get better at standup? (1h18m27s)

• Aisha Tyler emphasizes the importance of performing stand-up comedy in front of an audience to refine material and get feedback.
• She highlights the collaborative nature of stand-up, requiring interaction with an audience to gauge reactions and make adjustments.
• Tyler contrasts stand-up comedy with other creative pursuits like writing, athletics, and music, where individuals can practice and refine their skills independently.

A memorable set Aisha bombed and the gift it gave her. (1h19m17s)

• Aisha Tyler, a comedian, shares her experience of bombing a set at an open mic night in a laundromat in San Francisco. She describes the audience as being filled with other comedians who were not actually listening to her set, but rather waiting for their turn to perform.
• Despite receiving no laughs, Tyler found the experience humorous and empowering. She realized that the lack of response made her impervious to future failures in her career.
• Tyler explains that comedians often find humor in their failures and quickly transition from feeling bad to recognizing the potential for a good story. She compares this to the resilience of comedians who can find humor even in difficult situations.

Dealing with hecklers Bill Burr and Kenny Moore style. (1h22m38s)

• Tim Ferriss describes a stand-up comedy performance by Bill Burr at a radio station concert, where Burr faced a hostile audience who booed and heckled him throughout his set. Despite the negativity, Burr refused to leave the stage and continued his performance, even escalating his material to include insults directed at the audience.
• Ferriss highlights the unwritten rules of comedy, particularly the importance of avoiding turning the entire audience against you, which Burr blatantly disregarded.
• Ferriss emphasizes that Burr's tenacity and refusal to back down ultimately earned him a standing ovation from the audience, who were initially hostile but were impressed by his resilience and defiance.
• Ferriss draws a parallel between Burr's performance and the "Rudy" moment in the movie of the same name, where the underdog character perseveres despite overwhelming odds.
• Ferriss concludes by stating that Burr's performance is a testament to the power of perseverance and the importance of staying true to oneself, even in the face of adversity.

Aisha shares some of her own heckler stories. (1h28m36s)

• Aisha shared that she has experienced various forms of heckling throughout her 25 years of stand-up comedy. She described a particularly frustrating experience with a woman who talked loudly throughout her entire set, making it difficult for Aisha to focus and perform.
• Aisha explained that she generally avoids addressing hecklers unless they are disruptive to the entire audience. She believes that engaging with them only derails the show for everyone else.
• Aisha shared a story about a woman who repeatedly shouted "I love you" during her set, which she found incredibly annoying and disruptive. She eventually had to resort to being mean to get the woman to stop.
• Aisha also described a situation where a man with a sour expression sat in the front row, ruining her performance. She eventually told him to leave, and the rest of the audience seemed relieved.
• Aisha acknowledged that she is not always disciplined enough to ignore hecklers, but she believes that sometimes it is necessary to address them, especially when they are significantly impacting the show.

Aisha's academic approach to the math of comedy. (1h32m47s)

• Aisha Tyler believes there is a mathematical aspect to comedy, but also an ineffable quality that can't be learned. She compares it to engineering, where some people are naturally gifted and others have to work harder to achieve the same level of skill.
• While she acknowledges that there are techniques and methodologies to improve one's comedic abilities, she emphasizes that natural comedic talent still requires practice and honing.
• Tyler's own journey into comedy stemmed from her experiences as an outsider and observer. She used storytelling and quick wit to connect with people and avoid social rejection. She didn't formally study comedy but learned through observation and practice.

What's the Rule of Threes? (1h34m59s)

• Aisha Tyler explains the "Rule of Threes" in comedy, stating that a series of jokes or builds to a punchline should ideally consist of three elements. This allows for a natural rhythm and pacing, creating a sense of anticipation before the punchline.
• She further elaborates that a comedic diversion or unexpected turn requires three elements to effectively lead the audience in one direction before surprising them with a different outcome. Two elements are insufficient to establish a sense of security before the twist.
• Tyler compares this concept to the way physicists understand the world through numbers and data, suggesting that comedic timing and structure can be analyzed and understood in a similar way.

Gauging comic evolution. (1h35m52s)

• Aisha Tyler describes herself as an undisciplined comedian, contrasting her approach with that of Gary Shandling, who was known for his disciplined writing routine.
• Tyler explains that she doesn't follow a structured writing process, preferring to experiment on stage and keep what works. She relies on her intuition to gauge what resonates with the audience.
• Despite recording her sets, Tyler avoids listening to them, suggesting that she trusts her instincts and the immediate feedback from the audience more than analyzing her performances.

Comedians compared to other artists. (1h37m2s)

• Aisha Tyler, a comedian, explains that as comedians progress in their careers, they move beyond simply getting laughs to creating material that is meaningful and personal.
• This shift involves developing a strong point of view and identity, leading to the discarding of jokes that lack depth or significance.
• Tyler compares this process to other artistic fields, such as music and writing, where artists strive to create work that reflects their unique perspective and accumulated understanding of the world.

Changing success metrics and creative traps. (1h38m20s)

• The conversation discusses the shift in success metrics, particularly in journalism, where clickbait and sensationalism have become prioritized over factual reporting and ethical standards. This has led to a decline in the quality of journalism and a blurring of the lines between fame and infamy.
• The speakers argue that this shift in focus has created a culture where people value fame for its own sake, rather than for the achievements or contributions that traditionally earned it. This has resulted in a lack of accountability and a disregard for the consequences of spreading misinformation.
• The speakers express concern about the difficulty in distinguishing between credible and fabricated information in the current media landscape. They believe that nefarious forces are actively working to make it harder for people to discern truth from falsehood, and that a solution lies in fostering critical thinking skills among the public.

How fear-based people-pleasing affects creativity. (1h41m1s)

• Fear-based people-pleasing hinders creativity. Tim Ferriss argues that people who strive for perfection and avoid showing flaws are driven by fear. This fear stems from a desire to avoid judgment and maintain a polished image. This fear-based approach inhibits creativity and learning because it prevents individuals from taking risks and embracing imperfections.
• Embracing imperfections is liberating and fosters growth. Ferriss emphasizes the importance of being comfortable with imperfections and mistakes. He believes that learning and growth occur through experiences, including failures. By embracing imperfections, individuals can break free from the constraints of fear and open themselves up to new possibilities.
• Deferring to others' expectations stifles creativity. Ferriss suggests that constantly seeking to please others, even in small matters, can lead to a reluctance to pursue one's own vision. This can ultimately hinder the ability to make bold decisions and pursue meaningful goals. He advocates for prioritizing personal values and aspirations over the perceived expectations of others.

If one likes big butts, one cannot lie — even if it might tick someone off. (1h44m8s)

• McConaughey believes in deliberately exposing oneself to discomfort to build resilience. He uses the example of posting a picture of a woman's backside on Instagram, knowing it would provoke outrage.
• He explains that he posted the picture to challenge his own complacency and to see how people would react. He was prepared for the negative feedback and even encouraged those who were offended to unfollow him.
• McConaughey believes that it's important to be true to oneself and not be afraid to express one's opinions, even if they might be unpopular. He acknowledges that some people might find his actions offensive, but he doesn't let their opinions dictate his behavior.

Sometimes constructive feedback does make me change my mind. (1h46m19s)

• Matthew McConaughey acknowledges that he sometimes posts content without fully considering its implications and receives feedback that helps him realize the insensitivity of his post.
• He recognizes that constructive feedback, delivered in a respectful manner, can be valuable and leads him to remove the post.
• McConaughey emphasizes that he pays attention to feedback and tries to incorporate advice he receives, while also maintaining his own perspective.

Pursuing authentic, meaningful work. (1h46m49s)

• Focus on your true fans: Don't worry about pleasing everyone. Instead, focus on building a "critical mass" of people who genuinely appreciate your work. This could be a small group, but their support is what matters.
• Authenticity is key: Don't try to imitate others or chase trends. Authenticity is essential for creating meaningful art. If you're not true to yourself, your work won't resonate with others.
• Embrace your unique voice: It's okay to be different. Don't be afraid to develop your own style and voice, even if it doesn't fit the current trends. Your unique perspective is what will make your work stand out.

Comedy's core beyond humor. (1h48m48s)

• Aisha Tyler emphasizes that the most crucial aspect of comedy is truthfulness. When someone delivers a good comedic performance, the audience might simply think they are funny. However, when a comedian reveals genuine truths about themselves, it resonates deeply with the audience, creating a sense of connection and vulnerability.
• This connection elevates the comedy from good to great, mirroring the difference between good and great art in general.
• Tyler highlights the importance of pleasing oneself in the creative process, suggesting that authenticity and truthfulness are essential for impactful work.

Expecting failures in creative beginnings. (1h49m20s)

• Aisha Tyler emphasizes the importance of creating something you love, even if it doesn't achieve commercial success. She argues that it's better to be proud of your work, even if it doesn't resonate with the audience, than to create something solely for profit that ultimately fails.
• Tyler acknowledges that many creative endeavors, especially in the beginning, don't succeed. She suggests that it's important to find satisfaction in the creative process itself, even if the outcome isn't what you hoped for.
• Tyler highlights the value of engagement in the creative process, emphasizing that even if the final product isn't commercially successful, the experience of creating it can be fulfilling.

Why it doesn't pay to emulate a master of a craft in their own field. (1h50m8s)

• It is not beneficial to try to emulate a master in their own field. This is because you will never be able to replicate their unique skills, experience, and personality. Trying to do so will only lead to exhaustion and ultimately failure.
• Instead of trying to be someone else, focus on your own strengths and talents. Identify your unique abilities and find a way to leverage them in your chosen field. This will allow you to stand out and achieve success in your own right.
• Even in seemingly non-creative fields like accounting or technology, there is an element of creativity involved. The most successful individuals in any field are those who are able to think outside the box and find innovative solutions.

Aisha's transition to filmmaking. (1h52m7s)

• Aisha Tyler's passion for film stemmed from her childhood love of movies, which she would watch repeatedly in theaters. This passion led her to write a script while working on "Talk Soup," and her desire to create a specific visual and emotional experience for viewers led her to direct it.
• Despite having no formal film education, Tyler's deep connection to the material and her desire to create a specific experience for viewers motivated her to learn about directing. She shadowed experienced directors on sets, including the final season of "The Wire," to gain practical knowledge.
• Tyler's journey into filmmaking began with short films, which she saw as a way to experiment and develop her skills. She embraced the challenges of filmmaking, recognizing its complexity and the effort required to bring a vision to life.

Aisha believes in personal aggression. (1h55m3s)

• Aisha Tyler believes in "personal aggression" when pursuing goals, which she defines as actively taking steps and pushing oneself to learn and improve.
• She emphasizes the importance of being hard on oneself, constantly learning, and not being afraid to make mistakes.
• Tyler uses her own experience in filmmaking as an example, acknowledging that her first short film was terrible but that it motivated her to learn and improve, ultimately leading to her becoming a better director.

How Aisha piggybacked resources for her first music video. (1h55m44s)

• Aisha Tyler used her Comedy Central special as an opportunity to create a short music video that would open the special. She used her salary from the special to fund the video, which she wrote, performed, and directed.
• Tyler was able to save costs by utilizing the crew and equipment already in place for the special. She paid the crew for the extra work with her salary and then learned how to edit the video herself to avoid additional costs.
• This strategy allowed Tyler to create a unique and personal project while minimizing expenses, demonstrating her resourcefulness and entrepreneurial spirit.

Learning filmmaking through short projects. (1h56m46s)

• Aisha Tyler, the speaker, describes how she learned filmmaking by creating short projects. She started by renting a camera and filming music videos for her friends who were in bands. She offered to create these videos for free, seeing it as an opportunity to gain experience and showcase her skills.
• Tyler chose music videos as her initial project because she felt it was a good way to reach a wider audience. She also enjoyed the creative freedom that music videos allowed, enabling her to experiment with different visual styles and techniques.
• Tyler's experience creating music videos led her to develop a portfolio of work that she could use to demonstrate her abilities. This ultimately helped her transition into other filmmaking projects, including a comedic video for her Comedy Central special and a short action film.

What lessons did Aisha learn from these projects? (1h58m9s)

• Aisha Tyler learned valuable lessons from her short film projects, particularly in the areas of creative risk-taking, skill development, and confidence building.
• She gained practical experience in framing, making choices, coverage, and editing, which she describes as "tactical" and "practical."
• Tyler also learned the importance of clear communication and collaboration, recognizing the need for specific roles and expertise on a film set. She discovered that even without a dedicated technician, she could overcome technical challenges and adapt to the limitations of her resources.

How visiting the sets of Penny Dreadful and Vikings in Ireland led to making AXIS. (1h59m22s)

• Aisha Tyler was working on a film project that was going to be expensive, but she was still learning and shadowing other filmmakers. She met John Logan, the creator of "Penny Dreadful," at Comic Con and he invited her to visit the set in Ireland. Tyler decided to take him up on the offer, wanting to experience the filmmaking process firsthand.
• While visiting the "Penny Dreadful" set, Tyler also visited the nearby "Vikings" set, where she met Irish actors and filmmakers. She ended up collaborating with two of them on a short film in Galway, Ireland, which was her first narrative short film.
• The writer of the short film had a feature film script that he asked Tyler to read. She loved the script and it became her first feature film, titled "AXIS."

Financing the Ireland trip. (2h1m8s)

• Aisha Tyler was curious about how Matthew McConaughey financed his trip to Ireland, where he was observing the set of a television show.
• McConaughey explained that he was on a hiatus from his work on "The Talk" and used his annual month off to travel. He emphasized that the trip was not extravagant and was more like a working vacation.
• McConaughey stated that he sought out discomfort in his life to avoid falling into a routine and wanted to experience new things. He reached out to the production of the show he wanted to observe and was welcomed by the team.

The email Aisha sent to visit the set of Vikings. (2h2m54s)

• Aisha Tyler, an American actress, sent an email to the producers of the show "Vikings" requesting to visit the set and shadow the director for a few days.
• She acknowledged that her request might seem unusual and emphasized her desire to be unobtrusive and invisible during her visit.
• Tyler's previous tweets expressing her admiration for the show likely contributed to the producers' positive response, as she had already established herself as a fan.

The impact of fan appreciation. (2h3m34s)

• Aisha Tyler emphasizes the importance of fan appreciation, even for those without a large following, by highlighting the impact of quality content. She suggests that even a single tweet or article can reach actors and producers through Google Alerts, as they often monitor media mentions.
• Tyler emphasizes the value of quality over quantity, suggesting that people often prioritize speed over excellence. She believes that those who dedicate themselves to crafting unique and personal work, regardless of its cost, are more likely to stand out.
• Tyler encourages viewers to focus on creating high-quality content, whether it be written, visual, or otherwise, as it can have a significant impact on reaching and engaging with their target audience.

Budweiser's "Whassup" campaign origin. (2h5m6s)

• Aisha Tyler recounts a story about a VHS tape circulating in Hollywood 20 years ago, featuring three black guys in an apartment. The tape showcased a short film where one guy asks "Wassup?" and the others respond in kind.
• This short film, created by unknown individuals in New York, eventually became the iconic Budweiser "Whassup" campaign.
• Tyler emphasizes the organic nature of the campaign, highlighting how it originated from a personal project by unknown individuals who simply wanted to create something original and funny.

Why Aisha made AXIS. (2h5m54s)

• Aisha Tyler emphasizes the importance of focusing on creating high-quality work, rather than chasing fame or popularity. She believes that consistently producing excellent work will eventually lead to recognition and success.
• She shares her experience with making the movie "AXIS," explaining that her primary goal was to create the best film possible, not to achieve widespread recognition. She didn't have high expectations for the film's success, but her dedication to quality led to its unexpected popularity.
• Tyler encourages aspiring creators to be bold and embrace the possibility of failure, as it is often in the pursuit of something truly unique and groundbreaking that greatness is achieved. She believes that there is always a market for exceptional work, and that being radically great is the key to standing out in a crowded field.

Resources for aspiring screenwriters and tech investors. (2h7m22s)

• Matthew McConaughey suggests two resources for aspiring screenwriters and tech investors who want to operate outside of the established power structure.
• The first resource is The Blacklist, founded by Franklin Leonard, which provides a platform for screenwriters to showcase their work and gain recognition.
• The second resource is AngelList, founded by Naval Ravikant, which connects investors with early-stage technology companies.

What is AXIS, and did anyone try to talk Aisha out of making it? (2h8m22s)

• Aisha Tyler describes her film "AXIS" as a thriller about an Irish actor living in Los Angeles who has had a tumultuous past, marked by substance abuse and destructive relationships. The film follows his attempts to turn his life around, highlighting the internal struggle between his desire to be better and the demons of his past.
• Tyler emphasizes that the film explores the relatable human experience of having a "demon" within, showcasing a character who is trying to improve but faces challenges in maintaining his progress. The film's unique aspect is its real-time setting, taking place entirely within a car as the protagonist drives through Los Angeles.
• Tyler highlights the film's dark humor, finding entertainment in the honesty and self-awareness of the character, who is portrayed as an addict. She believes that people who have "broken themselves down" are often more genuine than those who strive for perfection. The film's thriller elements include twists and secrets, adding to its suspenseful nature.

AXIS production experience and methods. (2h10m9s)

• Matthew McConaughey describes how he was able to quickly produce his film "AXIS" without traditional Hollywood financing. He realized that the typical Hollywood process would likely water down his vision, so he opted for crowdfunding.
• McConaughey recognized that he had a limited window of opportunity to make the film, so he focused on hitting a specific target date. He didn't pursue traditional studio financing because he knew they would likely request changes that would compromise his artistic vision.
• He chose to crowdfund the film through Kickstarter, raising approximately $200,000. He was able to secure half of his funding goal within the first week of launching the campaign, which is a good indicator of success for crowdfunding projects.

The magic, intensity, and clarity of operating on an aggressive deadline. (2h12m16s)

• The speaker, Matthew McConaughey, describes his experience making a movie in seven days, which is incredibly aggressive for a feature film. He explains that he shot the first 15 pages of the movie on the first day and then the next 65 pages over the following six days. This meant the actor had to perform 67 pages of dialogue each day, which is significantly more than the typical three to six pages per day.
• McConaughey emphasizes the intensity and exhilaration of this process, noting that the tight deadline forced him to be decisive and creative. He believes that the aggressive schedule led to a unique and experimental film, and that the experience was one of the most seminal of his life.
• He attributes the success of this approach to the "magic" that happens when operating under a hyper-aggressive deadline. He believes that the compressed timeframe forces clarity and eliminates time for overthinking, leading to more decisive decision-making. The ability to shoot the entire film in a short period also allowed for daily recalibration and exploration of the material.

Aisha's current fears and goals. (2h15m16s)

• Aisha Tyler, in the context of a discussion about overcoming fear, shares that she is currently afraid of not being able to make another film.
• However, she doesn't feel genuinely afraid because she believes her next film will be easier to produce, having already navigated the process of making a film independently.
• She acknowledges that she is not fearless, but the projects that interest her now don't evoke the same level of fear as they used to.

One of Aisha's current struggles. (2h16m49s)

• Aisha Tyler's current struggle is being as effective as she wants to be.
• She describes herself as having a highly developed, almost pathological workaholism, which she considers a problem.
• She worries that her inability to rest and play could negatively impact her artistry, as she believes that rest, daydreaming, and experiencing life are crucial for creating compelling stories.

If art imitates life, in order to create art, you have to have a life. (2h17m40s)

• Aisha Tyler references a quote, possibly by Amanda Palmer, stating that "if art imitates life, in order to create art, you have to have a life."
• Tyler explains that this quote suggests that artists need to experience life fully to create compelling art, as they need to be alive to understand and express the human condition.
• She acknowledges that there are other theories, such as the idea of living a bourgeois life while being radical in one's work, but ultimately believes that full engagement with life is essential for creating interesting art.

As a workaholic, how does Aisha manage to live a life that influences her art? (2h18m49s)

• Aisha Tyler acknowledges her workaholic tendencies and discusses how she manages to create space for daydreaming and leisure in her life. She emphasizes the importance of social engagement and actively seeking out experiences beyond work, even if it means stepping outside of her comfort zone.
• Tyler explains that her workaholism stems from a dopamine release she experiences when completing tasks. She enjoys the feeling of accomplishment and seeks to replicate that satisfaction in her leisure activities. She aims to find ways to make fun feel like work, even creating to-do lists that include having fun.
• Tyler expresses her desire to fully engage with life and try everything she's interested in. She is comfortable with failure and prefers to look back on her life knowing she tried something, even if it didn't work out, rather than regretting missed opportunities.

How would Aisha's life be different if she didn't have exercise as an element? (2h21m14s)

• Aisha Tyler acknowledges that she loves working out but struggles to balance it with her busy work schedule. She often finds herself working long hours without moving or eating, highlighting the constant battle between productivity and physical well-being.
• She emphasizes the importance of exercise as a stress manager and a way to reconnect with her body, especially in a world saturated with constant stimuli and images of perfection.
• Aisha recognizes the potential for an unhealthy relationship with exercise, either through overdoing it or neglecting it, but she has managed to avoid both extremes. She prioritizes her mental well-being and finds joy in working out, even if it means incorporating it into her busy schedule and multitasking.

What equipment does Aisha use to work out? (2h23m3s)

• Aisha Tyler has been using the same Concept2 ergometer since 2000, and it has never required any repairs or replacements. She considers it the best piece of equipment she owns.
• Her home gym consists of five key pieces of equipment: a TRX body weight system, two kettlebells (25 and 35 pounds), her ergometer, battle ropes attached to her dining room table, and a Power Step.
• She uses the Power Step for exercises like pistol squats, which are one-legged squats that can be challenging but can be made easier by using a bench or step for support.

What does a prototypical workout look like for Aisha? (2h23m52s)

• Aisha Tyler describes a typical workout as a 90-minute hike, which she enjoys for its feeling of being "groovy."
• She also mentions her current obsession with rowing on an ergometer, noting that she cycles through periods of intense rowing and periods of not rowing at all.
• Aisha expresses excitement about discussing rowing with Tim Ferriss, indicating that she believes he will be interested in the topic.

How does Aisha take her glutathione, and what does it help with? (2h24m9s)

• Aisha Tyler has been taking glutathione supplements and has noticed a significant improvement in her rowing performance. She believes that the glutathione is responsible for her increased speed and endurance, even though she is older than when she was rowing competitively.
• Glutathione is often described as a "master antioxidant" and can be administered through IVs or taken orally. Aisha prefers to take it orally in the form of liposomal glutathione, which she describes as tasting like axle grease.
• Aisha's morning routine includes taking a variety of supplements, including glutathione, fish oil, curcumin, and turmeric. She believes that her supplement regimen is so extensive that she doesn't even need to eat breakfast.
• Aisha wakes up between 6:00 and 7:00 AM and starts her day with an espresso shot and a dose of glutathione. She then exercises before breakfast.

Morning routine and exercise timing. (2h27m26s)

• Aisha Tyler starts her day with a morning routine that includes taking supplements like glutathione and kombucha. She enjoys kombucha and is open to trying different flavors.
• Her workout routine consists of high-intensity interval training (HIIT) with rowing, including 5K rows punctuated by 2K sprints, and a 10K long-distance row once or twice a week. She also incorporates kettlebell swings and TRX workouts.
• Tyler prefers to workout at home due to time constraints and enjoys watching TV shows while rowing. She prefers shows that are not too mentally demanding, allowing her to focus on her workout.
• Tyler's New Year's resolution is always the same: to rest more. She acknowledges that she has not been successful in achieving this goal and considers giving up on making resolutions altogether.

Does Aisha make New Year's resolutions? (2h30m35s)

• Aisha Tyler acknowledges that she has an obsessive personality and prefers to work in bursts of intense focus rather than consistently. She compares this to writing a book, where she needs time for ideas to gel before she can write the entire thing in a short period.
• Aisha explains that she doesn't believe in forcing herself into a specific workflow and instead focuses on finding what works best for her. She emphasizes that everyone has different methods and that her strength lies in her ability to work intensely when needed.
• Aisha shares that she views her mistakes as an unavoidable part of being human rather than tragic flaws. She believes that mistakes are simply a part of the learning process and that they help her grow as a person.

Aisha likens her first (unwatchable and destroyed) short film to the standup set she bombed. (2h33m1s)

• Aisha Tyler discusses a short film she made that was "unwatchable" and has since been destroyed. The film was about a man who flashed women, and the concept was meant to be a metaphor for bravery. However, the film ended up being a series of vignettes about a man revealing his penis to strangers, and Tyler admits that she didn't understand what she was trying to accomplish.
• Tyler compares the experience of making the short film to a stand-up comedy set she bombed, where no one left after the performance. She believes that every artist makes mistakes and that it's important to have a high tolerance for failure and not take it personally.
• Tyler mentions that Quentin Tarantino's first film was also unwatchable, and that it's common for artists to make spectacular failures when they are aggressive and dive into their work. She emphasizes the importance of learning from these failures and moving forward.

When has Aisha been extremely proud of herself? (2h35m34s)

• Aisha Tyler expresses pride in her film, "The Last Supper," which she directed and produced. She highlights the challenges she faced, including a tight budget, a short shooting schedule, and a change of editors. Despite these obstacles, she remained adaptable and resourceful, learning new skills and persevering through difficulties.
• Tyler emphasizes the importance of being open to change and pivoting when necessary, rather than rigidly adhering to a pre-conceived plan. She believes that this flexibility is crucial for success in any field.
• She draws parallels between her experience and the stories of successful individuals like Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba, and the filmmakers behind the failed "Dune" adaptation. She argues that failure can be a powerful catalyst for growth and innovation, forcing individuals to think outside the box and develop new skills.

Parting thoughts. (2h40m40s)

• Aisha Tyler and Tim Ferriss wrap up their conversation, with Tyler encouraging listeners to "get their hands dirty" and start creating, even if it's just a "shitty first draft."
• Ferriss emphasizes the importance of taking action and not letting fear hold people back from pursuing their dreams. He encourages listeners to share their work with the world, even if it's not perfect.
• Ferriss promotes his "Five Bullet Friday" newsletter, which provides a weekly dose of interesting articles, books, gadgets, and other cool things he's discovered. He also promotes Eight Sleep's Pod 4 Ultra, a sleep-enhancing device that can cool or warm each side of the bed and adjust the bed's height. He also promotes Momentus, a company that offers high-quality supplements and products for sports performance, sleep, cognitive health, and more.