Liquidity Summit Talks: Antonio Gracias and Gavin Baker | E1990

Teaser of today’s Liquidity Summit talks from Alex. (0s)

• The speaker is introducing two talks from a liquidity summit held earlier in the year.
• The summit was held in Napa, California.
• The speaker previously shared two talks from the event on the podcast and received positive feedback.

Alex kicks off the show (1m13s)

• Antonio Gracias is a partner at Valor Equity Partners.
• Gracias is known for his involvement with SpaceX and Tesla.
• Valor Equity Partners invested a significant amount of money in the $6 billion XAI funding round.
• The text suggests that the conversation between Gracias and Jason will cover a variety of topics.

Valor’s Antonio Gracias joins Jason (1m38s)

• The speaker discusses a large investment made by his firm, Valor Equity Partners, in xAI, Elon Musk's large language model AI company. This investment was a significant Series B round, totaling $6 billion, making it one of the largest Series B rounds ever.
• The speaker explains that Valor Equity Partners did not invest in any foundational model companies because they believe these models are commodities. They believe the only non-commodity aspects are the training data and reinforcement learning.
• The speaker argues that most AI models, even those within large platform companies, suffer from human bias due to factors like training data driven by advertising clicks and human intervention in the reinforcement learning process. He believes that AI models are a crucial technological innovation, comparable to electricity, and therefore minimizing human bias is essential.

Unbiased data and business models in AI (4m26s)

• X's training data is considered to be less biased than other AI systems because it is based on free speech and debate. This allows for a more diverse range of perspectives to be included in the training data, reducing the influence of any single viewpoint.
• The combination of X's training data and Community Notes creates a powerful system for training large language models (LLMs). This is because it allows the system to learn from a wide range of perspectives and make its own decisions about what is true, with minimal human bias.
• Elon Musk's ecosystem, including Tesla, SpaceX, Starlink, and Neuralink, provides a unique advantage for X's AI development. This ecosystem provides access to a vast amount of data and resources that are not available to other companies, giving X a significant competitive advantage.
• X is building a massive data center that will be the largest in the world. This data center will be designed to be more efficient and cost-effective than existing data centers, further enhancing X's AI capabilities.
• X's AI system is being developed to provide a more accurate and unbiased source of information than other AI systems. This is achieved through the use of real-time data and a focus on providing the most up-to-date information possible.
• X's AI system has the potential to disrupt a variety of industries, including finance, news, and education. This is because it can provide users with access to more accurate and unbiased information than traditional sources.
• X's business model is still evolving, but it is likely to involve a combination of subscription services, advertising, and partnerships. The company is currently offering a premium subscription service that provides access to its AI system, and it is also exploring ways to monetize its data and technology through partnerships with other companies.

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• Squarespace offers features such as website building, payment processing, marketing tools, email analytics, and design assistance.
• The speaker recommends Squarespace as a reliable and user-friendly platform for businesses looking to establish an online presence.
• The speaker encourages viewers to use the code "TWIST" for a free trial and a 10% discount on their first website or domain purchase.
• The speaker expresses gratitude to Squarespace for their ongoing support of the "Weekend Startups" podcast.

Achieving AGI and robots in real-world applications (11m14s)

• The text discusses the concept of achieving Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) and the role of embodiment in reaching human-level intelligence.
• It argues that AGI requires a physical embodiment, such as a robot, to understand human values and interact with the world in a way that aligns with human needs.
• The text highlights Tesla's work in robotics and its potential to create embodied AI systems that can perform tasks like driving, serving coffee, and carrying luggage.
• The speaker predicts that within three to five years, robots will be capable of performing simple tasks in factories and potentially even serving as bellhops in hotels.
• The speaker emphasizes the importance of training data and the potential for robots to learn from their interactions with the world.

Venture capital dynamics and innovation (14m26s)

• The pace of innovation has significantly increased, making it difficult to distinguish between promising opportunities and noise.
• The number of companies being created is also dramatically higher than in previous cycles.
• The increased pace of innovation and the rise of new players have disrupted the traditional venture capital oligopoly.
• The focus has shifted from brand recognition to adding value for companies, with entrepreneurs seeking partners who can provide support and guidance.
• The availability of capital has increased, but entrepreneurs are prioritizing firms that offer value beyond just funding.

Athena case study: Investor operational support (18m9s)

• The text describes a case study involving a company called Athena, which provides virtual assistance services in the Philippines.
• The founder of Athena, Jonathan, sought investment from various venture firms, including Valor, and ultimately chose Valor due to their track record of supporting companies.
• Athena's business model involves leveraging large language models (LLMs) to train virtual assistants, making them more effective over time.
• The company's growth was significantly accelerated through a co-marketing program with Jason Calacanis, who created a website promoting Athena's services.
• This co-marketing initiative resulted in a surge of demand for Athena's services, exceeding their capacity to fulfill orders.
• The success of the co-marketing program highlights the value that Valor provides to its portfolio companies, including access to a network of influential individuals and resources.

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• The text discusses the challenges of onboarding new users for software products, highlighting the difficulty of creating effective and engaging user guides.
• It introduces CommandBar, a company that utilizes generative AI to create personalized and interactive user onboarding experiences.
• CommandBar's AI-powered chatbot provides personalized responses to user questions, guides users through the product with a live cursor, and detects when users need assistance, offering hints or special offers.
• The text mentions that CommandBar is used by several successful companies, including HashiCorp, Gusto, 6sense, and AngelList.
• It encourages viewers to visit CommandBar's website to learn more about their product and request a live demo.

Traditional venture playbook and crossover hedge funds (23m4s)

• The traditional venture capital playbook has changed, and entrepreneurs no longer need to follow the traditional path of raising capital from endowments and foundations.
• The rise of crossover hedge funds in the early stages of venture capital has significantly impacted the speed and pace of investments.
• Crossover hedge funds were motivated by "volatility washing," a strategy that involves adding private investments to public portfolios to artificially lower volatility and improve performance metrics.

US balance sheet implications and emerging entrepreneurship regions (28m33s)

• The United States is facing a significant national debt problem due to excessive spending on various programs and tax breaks. This spending is considered reckless and could have negative consequences for future generations.
• The speaker believes that the debt can be managed, but the real issue is a lack of productivity. The employment population ratio has stagnated, indicating that fewer people are working despite a growing population. This lack of productivity is driven by a combination of low capital investment and a cultural shift towards anti-entrepreneurship and anti-work sentiment.
• The speaker remains optimistic about the future of the United States, believing that American ingenuity will continue to drive innovation and economic growth. However, the speaker acknowledges that the world is becoming increasingly multipolar and that the United States needs to shift its focus from exporting values to exporting interests.
• The speaker identifies the Middle East as a region with significant potential for entrepreneurship and economic growth. The region is characterized by a young, well-educated population, abundant resources, and a willingness to adopt successful models like Singapore's.
• India is also highlighted as a region with strong potential due to its large and growing population. The speaker emphasizes the importance of respecting cultural differences while finding common ground for collaboration.

Immigration policy's role in recruitment (33m39s)

• The speaker believes that immigration policy should be approached strategically, focusing on attracting the most talented individuals from around the world.
• The speaker advocates for a system that prioritizes recruitment of highly skilled workers, similar to a company's hiring process, and suggests streamlining the H1B visa program to facilitate this.
• The speaker also supports a controlled guest worker program for lower-skilled labor, emphasizing the need for a balanced approach that addresses both high-skilled and low-skilled labor needs.

Investing in socially impactful companies (36m19s)

• The speaker believes that investing in companies that make the world a better place is more important than ever, especially in a time of increasing chaos.
• The speaker is excited about the opportunity to work with young people and build systems that can help manage the chaos and create a better future.
• The speaker emphasizes the importance of considering not only the legality but also the ethical implications of investments and actions, suggesting a shift towards a more moral approach.

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• Brex provides corporate cards and a financial stack for startups.
• Brex's banking solution aims to help startups avoid running out of cash by offering features such as FDIC insurance, high yield on cash, and fast international money transfers.
• Brex is used by one in three US startups.

Atreides Management’s Gavin Baker joins Jason (39m1s)

• The speaker discusses the importance of investing humility, particularly when raising funds. He emphasizes that the process is often not personal, even though it can feel that way.
• The speaker shares his experience of facing rejection while raising funds and how he learned to understand that it's not always about him. He realized that potential investors may be facing their own challenges, such as job insecurity, and are taking meetings out of necessity.
• The speaker highlights the importance of building relationships with potential investors and being supportive, even when they are not investing. He believes that karma plays a role in fundraising, and being kind to others can lead to positive outcomes.
• The speaker emphasizes the need to ask for investment, even from people you know well. He believes that people appreciate being asked and that getting comfortable with asking is crucial for fundraising success.

The importance of investing in relationships (47m38s)

• The importance of supporting friends in difficult times: The text emphasizes the importance of reaching out to friends when they are going through tough times, even if it feels awkward or uncomfortable. It argues that this act of kindness is more meaningful than celebrating successes and can strengthen relationships.
• The value of kindness and loyalty in the long term: The text suggests that while aggressive and short-term focused approaches may seem successful initially, kindness, loyalty, and ethical behavior are more valuable in the long run. These qualities build trust and strong relationships, which are essential for success in both personal and professional life.
• The importance of humility and resilience in investing: The text highlights the importance of humility in investing, acknowledging that even the best investors are wrong a significant portion of the time. It emphasizes the need for resilience and grit to navigate the inevitable challenges and setbacks that come with investing.

Resilience in public equity investing and learning from failure (54m32s)

• The speaker discusses a significant loss they experienced in 2011 or 2012, attributing it to two major mistakes made simultaneously. They had invested in a telecom company called Nexel International, which was launching a new network in South America and Mexico. Despite the network's initial success, the company faced challenges including a price war, unfavorable exchange rates, and rising costs for telecom equipment. The speaker acknowledges that they should have reduced their position in the company as these challenges arose but instead doubled down on their investment, ultimately leading to a significant loss when the company went bankrupt.
• The speaker emphasizes the importance of resilience in public equity investing, highlighting that even experienced investors can experience setbacks. They share their personal experience of going from being a top-rated analyst to being on the verge of being fired within a year. They attribute this to the cyclical nature of the market and the importance of maintaining a consistent process and framework for making investment decisions.
• The speaker quotes a mentor, Steve Wymer, who emphasizes the importance of focusing on numbers rather than excuses in investing. Wymer also suggests that both help and pressure from others can hinder an investor's performance, highlighting the need for independent decision-making and managing the downside risk. The speaker also mentions the "disposition effect," where investors tend to value losses more than gains, which can lead to poor decision-making.

AI adoption differences between startups and enterprises (1h0m29s)

• Startups are more efficient in adopting AI due to their agile nature and the need to quickly adapt to market changes.
• Large enterprises, such as Google, Apple, and Amazon, have varying levels of AI adoption.
• Google, despite its dominance in search, was considered slow to embrace AI, similar to the United States' initial response to the attack on Pearl Harbor.

America's innovation through resilience and immigration (1h2m32s)

• America's innovation is driven by its ability to attract and retain talented individuals from around the world.
• The United States has historically benefited from immigration, particularly during World War II when it welcomed many brilliant Jewish scientists from Russia and Eastern Europe.
• The speaker advocates for a more open immigration policy, arguing that attracting the world's brightest minds is a significant advantage for the United States and weakens its adversaries.

Google and Apple's AI strategies and infrastructure (1h3m43s)

• Google has made significant strides in AI by leveraging its vast resources and infrastructure, particularly its unique TPUs. This has allowed them to develop Gemini, an advanced language model capable of context caching, which gives it an advantage over other LLMs.
• Apple, while initially lagging behind in AI, is poised to make a strong comeback. Their strategy is to focus on creating the best, rather than the first, AI solutions. They are expected to integrate on-device LLMs into their devices, prioritizing privacy and user experience.
• The future of AI is heavily reliant on data centers and memory technology. The demand for data centers is increasing rapidly, leading to a power constraint and competition for suitable locations. High-bandwidth memory (HBM) is another critical component, and its demand is expected to surge as AI adoption grows.
• Amazon's position in the AI landscape is uncertain. The speaker believes that foundation model companies without unique data and internet-scale distribution are at risk of becoming obsolete. They may be acquired by larger companies like Amazon or Microsoft to leverage their resources.

Meta's strategic moves in search and the metaverse (1h11m32s)

• Meta is in a better position than it was previously, but its relative advantage has slowed down due to other companies raising their game.
• Mark Zuckerberg's true greatness would be to rename the company to something like "Big Blue AI" or "AGI" to reflect its focus on artificial intelligence.
• The metaverse is a long-term vision that will require significant technological advancements, including smaller, more energy-efficient chips and brain-computer interfaces.
• Meta's strategic move to place a search box at the top of every app is a direct challenge to Google and other search engine providers.
• This move demonstrates Meta's willingness to compete aggressively for user attention and traffic.